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Is Retiring In Thailand As Wonderful As They Say? My Impression After A Few Days Trying It

Post Added Saturday 3rd August 2013

Note to people already living in Thailand.

Some of these observations will seem trivial to you. Later on I’m sure they will to me two. But catching and recording first impressions is important and you only have one chance to do it.

After I have been living in Thaland for a while and get used to the place I dare say there will be less commonplace things to write about. So let me put it all down in the beginning for posterity’s sake.

Proof I’m Actually Retired In Pakchong (Pak Chong), Thailand

Before we get into the story here let me first prove that I am actually in Thailand and at our retirement home inPakchong (Pak Chong). And what better way to do than than with a photo:-

Photo of Alan In Pakchong On His First Day Of Retireent In Thailand

Alan In Pakchong On His First Day Of Retireent In Thailand

Now On To The Retiring In Thailand Story

It’s 0415 on Saturday morning and I’m wide a wake again. So nothing better to do than to write about the few days I have been here since my inaugural retirement flight to Thailand. on Monday 29th August, 2013.

In fact it will do me good to get everything off my chest that I have been doing, thinking about and noting down over the last few days. I wake up every morning with a new Post to write in my head and it just gets worse if i don’t write it.

So here goes…

Day One Of Retiring In Thailand – Tuesday 30 July 2013

Collected at Bangkok’s Suvarnabhumi aiport by Kanyah at about 1545 – with a driver in tow, her nephew called Peng. She doesn’t like driving long distances and always finds someone to drive for her.

1605 on the road to Pakchong (Pak Chong) and arrived in Pakchong (Pak Chong) at around 1630 after a smoking break for Kanyah.

Arriving towards our house in Pakchong (Pak Chong), I bought few cold beers from the local shop. Leo beer not too strong and 50 Baht a bottle. (About £1.05 or $1.60)

A few minutes unwinding at the house where Kanyah introduced my to her ‘gardener’ who had cut the lawn for her the day before, a guy called “On” also from Prong Sai – a tiny wizened character with half his teeth missing which didn’t stop him grinning from ear to ear and sporting a goaty black beard. I noted the temperature – a cool 28 deg C outside and 25 deg C in the house, this being the rainy season.

Kanyah made me give 1,000 Baht each to On and Peng for their help. I thought that was a bit steep but there’s another more important point here. Since (apart from my pension) my income has stopped we can’t afford to live the way we did before. Kanyah never did anything herself around the house – she always employed the locals to do it.

Well we have now got to start to do things ourselves.

Then it was all four of us of to a local ‘restaurant’ for a meal. I took care to make a note of the name of the restaurant and the cost of the food, as I’ll explain next.

The meal including three beers cost 520 Baht. Take out the beers and it’s 340 Baht or 85 baht/person. (About £1.80 or $2.7)

Cost Of Living In Thailand

Of all the questions I get this is the most frequent “Can I live on $1,250 a month in Thailand?”. The amount varies but it’s always around $1,200 a month.

Well in order to answer the question accurately and also for my own information since I’m on a fixed pension, I started to take note of all our expenditures.

I’ll put all the details on a separate page for everyone to pour over – or not as the case may be.

Day 2 Of Retiring In Thailand – Wednesday 31 July 2013

This was the day I wrote the Retirement Flight To Bangkok, Thailand Post starting at 3AM!

Pottered around in the model engineering workshop and unpacked my bags, then we went to the Tesco Lotus supermarket – a visit quickly abandoned. Since Kanyah claimed to have no money I tried the ATMs but kept getting my UK Bank Debit card rejected.

I had some cash from my last visit so tried to buy an Internet SIM card for my AIS dongle. The normal shop “Telewiz” was closed and none of the other mobile phone shops could help. Then at about 1005 the Telewiz shop opened and bought the SIM card. Unlimited access for a month and a maximum of 5 GB data for 850 Bhat.

Next I tried to buy a case of Leo beer. But they told me (via Kanyah and in Thai) that until 1600 they couldn’t serve alcohol. Kind of. It seems that I could buy 16 bottles of Leo beer. (A case of 12 plus 4 loose ones) Very strange I thought.

Update Added on my next trip to Tesco

Next time I went to Tesco I saw this sign in Thai and English:-

Liquor Selling Time

1100-1400, 1700-2400

 No time restriction for purchases more than 10 litres at a time.

 

An attempt to reduce unsocial  behavior? I guess the idea is that people buying 10 litres are likely to be taking them home and not drinking them in the streets?

By the way, the Leo beer was 249 Baht a case. That’s 41.25 Baht/bottle (£0.88 or $1.33). That’s about half price of cheap beer in UK from an economy supermarket like Lidle or Aldi.

Why Leo Beer?

Well, it doesn’t seem too strong and it doesn’t give me the hangover that I invariably get if I drink Chang or Singha. I hate strong beers. Except for some English beers of course – particularly stouts and porters.

Thai beers are typically  well over 5% plus and Chang is 6 % or over.

I can’t actually see the strength of the beer on a Leo bottle. Perhaps it’s too weak they don’t want to admit it? A quick internet search reports it to be 5% but it certainly doesn’t feel like it. (Note, since then I have found the alcoholic strength of the Leo bear. It us printed on the bottle and it’s 5%)

Anyway, back to the plot, after the aborted Tesco trip we went home to get on the Internet and try to get my card authorised for use in Thailand. Couldn’t do that at Tesco because Kanyah had left her phone at home.

About two hours of messing trying to get in touch with the Bank none of the phone numbers worked neither on Skype nor on Kanyah’s phone – and finally got through on Skype using a number saved from my last trip. OK the card is now cleared for use in Thailand, Laos, Vietnam and Cambodia – all places we intend visiting although Kanyah doesn’t know about that yet!

Back To Tesco For More Upset

Back at Tesco the card worked and I had the cash to do some shopping.

What a miserable disappointment that turned out to be.

I Hate Tesco Lotus in Thailand.

In Thailand Tesco is a culture killer. It is pushing all these convenience and Western style products and packaging on the Thais instead of selling really fresh local produce in loose form.

I wanted to make (and I did later – kind of) a favourite dish of mine a simply tomato curry.

But in Tesco they…

  • only had one kind of fresh tomatoes and these were cherry tomatoes in a tiny plastic carton
  • had no large onions. (Spanish type). They only had red onion.
  • did not have any large “fresh” dried prawns only tiny “hard” dried prawns.
  • had no dried or desiccated coconut or any kind of coconut come to that.

All the above I can buy in the UK.

It’s shameful that such common ingredients aren’t available from Tesco Lotus in Pakchong (Pak Chong).

On the way home I had lunch at the local roadside shack – Thai noodle soup (Quiteo) 25 Baht (£0.85 or $0.80) and a Leo beer at 50 Baht.

At home I spent an hour with Kanyah trying to work out the price of the things we bought from the Tesco receipt. We got most of it I think, but Kanyah really struggled to understand the Tesco receipt.

For what it’s worth I’ll put the receipt and the English translation on the Cost of Living in Thailand Page.

Then it was time to make the tomato curry (with the wrong or missing ingredients).

Quick Time Check and Why This Is Important

It’s now 0645, the sun is shining, it’s light and bright and a comfortable 22 deg C.

I’ve been typing here for 2 1/2 hours and still have a tone more to write about and movies and photos to upload.

I should now be in the model engineering workshop making my model steam engine and that’s what I’ll do in a minute.

The point I’m making is that I could spend all day on this blog writing and recording with photos and movies what life is like retiring in Thailand.

But that wouldn’t get my steam models built. So I’ll give it a rest now and come back later.

Saturday 3rd August

Today we went to the Market in Pakchong (Pak Chong).

Normally, I wouldn’t make any point of this or bother to write about it. After all, I have been to Thai markets so many times and probably so have you.

So what’s different this time?

A lot! All previous visits to Thai markets have been on a ‘need something’ basis. Need it – find it as fast as possible – and leave.

Not this time. This time our visit was recreational. Since I have now ‘retired’ in Thailand I can afford some recreation time and what better than to wander through the market with no time pressure and take movies and photos of things that you would normally just pass by?

I took loads of photos and movies – far too many to post here.

I marveled at the stalls selling every part on an animal’s anatomy, pigs heads, pigs ears, stomachs, intestines and you name it if it’s from an animal it’s for sale here. The only thing I can’t be sure of is which animal it’s from!

There were live animals too. Live eels and fish. Live turtles and frogs.

All presumably destined for the cooking pot.

So many photos also many videos I’ll put them all on a new page separate from this Post. Just as a taster I’ll show this photo:-

Image Showing Pakchong Market Thailand Pigs Heads Stall

Pakchong Market Thailand Pigs Heads Stall

Apart from the market stuff we went to some other shops to buy things for my workshop:-

  • Steel Blanks for the lathe
  • Electrical test meter to fix the gate lights
  • Locks to replacethe broken ones on the workshop windows
  • New watch batteries for my measuring instruments
  • Screwdriver set

Not a glamorous list at all but it just demonstrates that I’m busy and not just sitting back ‘waiting for the next crossword’ as Alex put it in his email on the “Here To Stay” Post.

Sunday 4th August

Another trip to Tesco Lotus at Pakchong (Pak Chong).

There are some useful stalls outside Tesco Lotus (on their site)

I bought a pair of shorts two inches too big for me! Cost 100 Baht for those interested in the cost of living in Thailand. The lady searched for at least twenty minutes looking for my size amongst a great big pile of clothes and then she dived under the stall to open a huge bundle of other clothes ‘just come in’. I felt obliged to buy something.

Heh, they’re fine for the workshop and generally messing around in.

Monday 5th August

I don’t have any notes for that day except that we spent 90 Baht on dinner.

Model Engineering Workshop

Every day I am in the workshop working on my  models and making tools to make the models.

I take videos and photos of everything I do with a view to putting them on the other website Model Engineering Thailand. (Nothing there yet – just an empty website)

So Is Retiring In Thailand Bliss Or Not?

Not Bliss. But if I work at it maybe I can get used to it.

I know I would enjoy retiring in UK – if I could afford to. I’m missing the usual list of things I like about the UK.

So what is here in Thailand that I can’t enjoy in England?

Is it the weather – often cited as a reason to go to Thailand? Not really. When I left the UK it was a hot summer with temperatures up to 28 deg C.

Here it’s about the same but more consistent and more humid.

It’s the rainy season so it’s a bit cooler than normal about 30 deg C in the day time dropping to about 26 deg C at night. I must say this is the best weather I have experienced in Thailand. Despite being the rainy season it doesn’t rain every day. We have just had a week with no rain.

And when it does rain it’s not for long and it’s still warm.

No, it’s definitely not the weather.

So what is it then that’s better here than in the U.K.?

My Top Five Reasons To Enjoy Retiring In Thailand

Here’s a list of bullet points:-

  • Bullet Point No. 1
  • Bullet Point No. 2
  • Bullet Point No. 3
  • Bullet Point No. 4

I couldn’t even think of bullet point No. 5!

I’ll come back and fill those in if I can think of anything.

PS Don’t Misunderstand Me

Please don’t leave this page thinking that I’m a miserable old Geezer!

I am definitely enjoying my retirement in Thailand.

Stuff working (i.e. as in going to work to earn a living) – this is far better.

It’s just that I’d be just as happy retiring in the U.K.

Kanyah

Perhaps the main difference between here and the U.K. is that Kanyah is here. It’s really nice for her to have me beside her and she wouldn’t be happy in the U.K. on a long-term basis.

So lets not think about is Thailand a better place for me to retire to from my perspective.

From Kanyah’s perspective it’s a 1000 times better. I know because she told me.

 

The Post Man Came to the Door Then Walked Away… A Minute Later…

… my heart fell -

- there was no package from the Thai consulate in Birmingham and that meant – no passport and no visa for Thailand…

… then a minute later the door bell rang…

“Please sign here” he said, with a Special Delivery package in his hand. Here it was…

Image of Alan Thai Non O Multiple Entry Visa

Alan Thai Non O Multiple Entry Visa

Kanyah Was Delighted

As soon as I had opened the Special Delivery packet from the Royal Thai Consulate in Birmingham and checked that all my original documents were there including my passport with Thai Non O Multiple Entry Visa I called Kanyah via Skype to tell her the good news.

I recorded the conversation using Camtasia but for some unknown reason my voice was not recorded. (Can anyone solve that issue – I would be grateful to know how to make sure my voice as well as the other person on the call is recorded?)

Listen to at least part of this recording just to get a feel for Kanyah’s happy mood. Then listen to the recording from two days before below.

A Happy Kanyah When I Told Her I Was Coming To Thailand

Now listen to a bit (or all if you can stand it) of the next recording which was made two days previously.

Very Upset And Distressed Kanyah When I Told Her I Might Not Be Going To Thailand

This recording is typical of the many calls I have made to Kanyah in Thailand over the last year since my last visit in December 2012. She is not at all happy living alone in our retirement home I had built in Pakchong (Pak Chong), Thailand.

Packing My Bag For A Model Engineering Holiday In Thailand

Most people know about my passion and hobby of model engineering (making reals models of engines and things that really work, like steam engines)

There is a description and photos of me setting up my model engineering workshop  and building a steam model on the web page at My Model Engineering Workshop In Thailand

Packing Bags for Thailand 2013 450

I'll be on the flight to Bangkok next Monday 29 July 2013 to start my retirement in Thailand. These photos show what I'm taking with me - materials and tools to continue with my model engineering hobby in Thailand. You can see the part-finished model of a Burrell Traction Engine and a kit of parts for a model vertical steam boiler.

[img src=http://retiringinthailand.net/wp-content/flagallery/packing-bags-for-thailand-2013-450/thumbs/thumbs_01-verticle-steam-boiler-kit.jpg]00Model Verticle Steam Boiler Kit
[img src=http://retiringinthailand.net/wp-content/flagallery/packing-bags-for-thailand-2013-450/thumbs/thumbs_02-steam-boiler-fittings.jpg]00Model Steam Boiler Fittings
[img src=http://retiringinthailand.net/wp-content/flagallery/packing-bags-for-thailand-2013-450/thumbs/thumbs_03-ball-joint-bearing.jpg]00Ball Joint Bearing
[img src=http://retiringinthailand.net/wp-content/flagallery/packing-bags-for-thailand-2013-450/thumbs/thumbs_04-carbide-lathe-tool-inserts.jpg]00Carbide Lathe Tool Inserts
[img src=http://retiringinthailand.net/wp-content/flagallery/packing-bags-for-thailand-2013-450/thumbs/thumbs_05-lathe-tools-with-carbide-inserts.jpg]00Lathe Tools With Carbide Inserts
[img src=http://retiringinthailand.net/wp-content/flagallery/packing-bags-for-thailand-2013-450/thumbs/thumbs_06-steamfittings.jpg]00Model Steam Fittings
[img src=http://retiringinthailand.net/wp-content/flagallery/packing-bags-for-thailand-2013-450/thumbs/thumbs_07-tap-die-set-metric.jpg]00Tap Die Set Metric
[img src=http://retiringinthailand.net/wp-content/flagallery/packing-bags-for-thailand-2013-450/thumbs/thumbs_08-tap-die-set-model-engineer.jpg]00Tap Die Set Model Engineer
[img src=http://retiringinthailand.net/wp-content/flagallery/packing-bags-for-thailand-2013-450/thumbs/thumbs_09-burrel-traction-engine-model-2.jpg]00Model Burrell Traction Engine Model
[img src=http://retiringinthailand.net/wp-content/flagallery/packing-bags-for-thailand-2013-450/thumbs/thumbs_09-burrel-traction-engine-model.jpg]00Model Burrell Traction Engine Model 02
[img src=http://retiringinthailand.net/wp-content/flagallery/packing-bags-for-thailand-2013-450/thumbs/thumbs_10-assorted-small-screws.jpg]00Assorted Small Screws
[img src=http://retiringinthailand.net/wp-content/flagallery/packing-bags-for-thailand-2013-450/thumbs/thumbs_11-more-assorted-small-screws.jpg]00More Assorted Small Screws
[img src=http://retiringinthailand.net/wp-content/flagallery/packing-bags-for-thailand-2013-450/thumbs/thumbs_12-even-more-assorted-small-screws.jpg]00Yet More Assorted Small Screws
[img src=http://retiringinthailand.net/wp-content/flagallery/packing-bags-for-thailand-2013-450/thumbs/thumbs_13-model-traction-engine-spkes-etc.jpg]00Model Traction Engine Spkes etc

I’m not going to bore you with details of the photos in the gallery above except to to say that now I’m retiring to Thailand I expect to be able to make significant and rapid progress on these models:-

Model Burrel Traction Engine

I have been building that model Burrell Traction Engine for well over a year now. Since I was working away from home in London all week the only time I had to work on the model was at weekends. Now I’ll have all day every day!

Model Vertical Steam Boiler

I can’t remember exactly when I bought that kit to make the model vertical steam boiler but it was many years ago. And to date I have not touched it!

I recon it’t just a few weeks work to finish once I get to Thailand. (Other model engineering projects permitting)

Now I’m Actually Looking Forward To Retiring In Thailand

I just noticed something as I was writing this Post and getting ready to go to Pakchong (Pak Chong) to stay in our retirement house.

I’m actually looking forward to it!

How long it will last I don’t know. Perhaps in a few weeks I’ll be back in the U.K. working on that contract with LU? Who knows? All I know is I’m looking forward to re-starting building that steam engine (Victoria) in my model engineering workshop in Pakchong (Pak Chong).

So let’s just leave it at that for now.

 

 

Second Day Report (Boxing Day) From Our Retirement Home In Pakchong (Pak Chong) Thailand

First The Good News About Our Retirement House in Thailand (Later to Be Followed By The “Bombshell”

(It’s actually taken me 7 days to get this post written and published. busy with the house and my workshop and Internet connection problems which you can learn about on the “Mobile Broadband Internet In Thailand” page.

This trip to our retirement house in Pakchong (Pak Chong), Thailand, is the first for me since the house was completed just a few weeks ago.

I see the visit as a ‘test’ or perhaps a research project to see if I really can commit to retiring in Thailand. One thing I have been told (AKA the “Bombshell”)  has really put me off but lets put that to the side for a minute and look at the good things I have found so far.

The House Is Really Fantastic

The house really has a big ‘airy’ feel to it, especially the outside concrete area (I’ll call it the Patio) and the huge Utility block both of which I have complained about as being a waste of money. Maybe they are but it’s still a great feeling to be sitting there and enjoying the space and the amenities.


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Kanyah had been telling me for weeks before I came to see our completed retirement house in Pakchong (Pak Chong), Thailand, that it was very windy and cold. I believed her but when I arrived I was no quite prepared to find out exactly how cold and windy – and dusty – it was. The wind howled through the wooden house and literally whistled as it blew through the gaps between the windows. That made it very noisy and cold in the house but there was another downside… the dust.

The dust was everywhere, and we know about dust from our days in Saudi Arabia. Little did we know that it would follow us here to Pakchong (Pak Chong)!

So the days start cold and very windy but after around 1000 am the sun breaks through and we get a hot (by U.K. standards) day. The windy mornings are quite spectacular. Here is a video on a windy morning showing the views from different positions aound the house. Make sure you wait until the end to get a glimpse of Kanyah’s Thai humour.

How To Quickly And Easily Get Online In Thailand With Mobile Broadband Internet

When I asked my readers and posted the question “What is the best option for mobile broadband Internet in Thailand?” on the Mobile Broadband Internet In Thailand page there was a mixed response.  Some people had a “work-around” linking their lap-top to the Internet via a mobile phone and others suggested a landline connection.

The solution was so easy I almost couldn’t believe it.

I walked into Tesco Lotus in Pakchong (Pak Chong), Thailand, and spotting the “Mobile Phone and Internet” counter made a simple enquiry.  “How do I get mobile Internet in Thailand?”.

Minutes later I walked out with a device and when I got home plugged it into my laptop and was online in less than a minute!

I’m still using it now! Go to the Mobile Broadband Internet In Thailand page to see how easy it is to get mobile broadband in Thailand.

So much for the good things going on with our retiring in Thailand project. Now for the “bombshell” I have mentioned before…

The “Bombshell” That Rocked Me To The Core And Dashed My Retiring In Thailand Plans

I don’t remember how this came up in conversation but Kanyah mentioned that once you reach 60 years old you are no longer allowed to drive in Thailand.

That was like a bombshell to me.

“The maximum legal age to drive in Thailand is 60 years old” – was it true?

Apparently our neighbour had told Kanyah that you can’t drive in Thailand if you are 60 years old or over.

If true, this was a major blow to our retirement plans. Although we don’t live deep in the country, our retirement home in Pakchong (Pak Chong) is about 10 minutes drive from the nearest shops of anything but the daily needs kind. We simply could not survive without a car.

Kanyah is not 60 yet (officially anyway but that’s another story) so she can still drive, this would mean that I would never be able to drive in Thailand.

And another thought struck me – it’s a recurring thought actually – what would happen should die before me? How could I get around?

You can understand that this was a terrible blow to me. Kanyah seemed not to worry too much, she doesn’t seem to care too much about dealing with the police. So long as she has ready access to cash I suspect…

Anyway that is not my way so I immediately start looking on the net for any upper age limit on driving in Thailand.

I tried all the usual keywords in major search engines. Key phrases like “age restrictions driving Thailand”, “upper age limit driving Thailand”, “can’t drive over 60 Thailand”, etc.

These two websites said there was no maximum age for driving in Thailand:-

http://www.sawadee.com/hotel/service/selfdrive

http://www.budget.co.th/tips_driving.aspx

This website tells you how to get a Thai driving license but doesn’t mention an upper age limit to be allowed to drive in Thailand:-

http://driving.information.in.th

So Was I Told A Bummer – And There Is No 60 Years Old Upper Limit On Driving In Thailand?

I have spent a couple of hours on the Internet searching to see if there is an upper age limit (e.g. 60 years) on driving in Thailand and have not found any mention of it.

Quite the reverse, several websites say that there in no upper age limit to driving in Thailand.

So maybe there is no “can’t drive over 60″ law in Thailand? Maybe it’s OK?

As far as I can tell from my Internet research there is no upper age limit for driving in Thailand. but to be sure i want to hear from people who know.

Most of the readers of this website have more experience than myself about retiring in Thailand and have more knowledge about the driving laws in Thailand and the age limits.

So please, if you have any actual experience on this subject I would be most grateful if you could take a moment to leave a comment on your experience below.

It will only take a few minutes of your time and could influence the decisions by many whether it’s a good idea to retire in Thailand or not.

Thank you very much.

Update: From “The Source” About The Upper Age Limit For Driving In Thailand

Last night our Thai neighbour. Noi, came round and we shared a few beers together. I raised the question with Noi about the law relating to a maximum driving over age in Thailand, since it was Noi who made the statement in the first place.

Noi “clarified” as follows:-

After you are 60 years old in Thailand you can still drive a car.

But after you reach 60 years old the officials will not issue you with a new driving licence in Thailand.

I’m trying to grasp the concept he explained. That up to the age of 60 if you drive you must have a driving license. but when you are over 60 you don’t need a driving license to drive a car.

So I posed the question “I am over 60 years old and I do not have a driving license. Is it OK to drive a car?”

Noi answered “Yes, no problem, just make sure you have 200 Baht in your pocket.”

Add a zero for farangs I guess…

I Have Just Received The Finished Construction Version Of The Thai House Plans To Build Our Retirement House In Thailand

Yesterday, September 29th, 2010, I received a set of construction drawings from our Thai architect to allow us to move forward on the road to building our retirment home in Thailand.

The house plans consisted of a set of very detailed Thai house plans, 46 sheets in all covering, Architecture, Structural, Electrical and Sanitation works.

I was delighted with the quantity and the quality of the drawings. I will describe what I received here in the post and show one or two of them but to do justice to the house drawings I have displayed them in the Galleries Section of the website.

Or you can go directly to the Architectural Construction Drawings Gallery

Samples Of The Thai House Plans – Construction Drawings – Designed By Our Thai Architect In Bangkok

Image of Thai House Plan Pakchong 2nd Floor Plan A07

Above, a sample of one of the construction drawings. This is the architectural layout for the second floor.

Image of Thai House Plan Pakchong End Elevation 2 A10

Construction Drawing Our Pakchong House End Elevation 2

Above, another example of one of the construction drawings. This is the front elevation.

Image of Thai House Plan Pakchong End Elevation 1 A09

Construction Drawing Our Pakchong House End Elevation 1

And above is the side elevation of the drawing for our our retirement home.

Image of Thai House Plan Pakchong Section BB A14

Construction Drawing Our Pakchong House Section BB

Above, another sample of the Thai house plans designed by our Thai architect. this time it is a section through the house that is shown.This is the last of the Thai house plans that I am displaying in this Post. I will be uploading more of the Thai house plans to a separate web page.

How Many House Plans Do You Need To Build A house In Thailand And What Level Of Detail Is Necessary?

There is a minimum quantity and level of detail that your house plans need to satisfy in order for you to build your hosue in Thailand. The minimum level depends upon the size of the house (i.e. how many rooms) the capability of the builder and the degree of control over the detail in the finished article that you want.

For our small house to be built in Pakchong, it is only 200 m2, our Thai architect has produced a set of house plans of construction stage quality and comprising 47 sheets of drawings. Here is a summary of what the set of construction drawings comprises:-

Summary of Construction Drawings to Build a Retirement House in Pakchong Thailand
Drawing Type No. of Sheets
Architectural Construction Drawings
Plans 4
Elevations 4
Sections 2
Details 9
Specification, Materials, Miscellaneous 5
Total 24
Structural Construction Drawings
Plans 5
Details 3
Specifications, Miscellanous 3
Total 11
Electrical Construction Drawings
Plans 4
Specifications, Miscellanous 2
Total 6
Sanitary (Plumbing) Construction Drawings
Plans 2
Specification, Details, Miscellaneous 4
Total 6
Total Number of House Plans for Construction 47

The Budget Price Of Building A House In ThailandReceived – A Proposal From Another Thai Architect Company To Design Our Retirement Home In Thailand

If you read the previous post Finding an Architect in Thailand to Design Your Retirement Home you would know that having found one Architect to design our retirement home in Thailand we were not very happy at the final fee negotiations and decided to look for alternative Architects in Thailand.   

I gave a list of links to Thai architects’ websites and sent emails to the site owners asking if they could design our house for us. I enclosed all the information I had to hand which included drawings (house plans) produced by myself plus schedules of components and finises etc.   

I received just one reply!   

Here it is:-  


From: name removed for privacy
Date: Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 12:23 PM
Subject: FW: Kanyah
To: email address removed for security

Dear Kanyah,
 
I appreciate your interest in the designs for your home.
 
We looked at them and for basic design contract to supply finished architects construction drawings. Cost of construction we think would be 1.6m -2.2m baht plus vat (7%). But only the construction contractor will know this once the architects drawings are completed.
 
Our fee for this would be 150,000 baht plus vat (7%)
 
This does not include:
 
1.       Applications of permission to build but we do supply engineers and architects information for you to use in application.
2.       It does not include interior design,  landscaping or travel expenses if required to visit site. (We think we can design this without going to the site if all information is provided correctly by yourself.)
 
 
Sincerely,
 
name removed for privacy


 The Cost Of Building Houses In Thailand

Now this was interesting. Let’s look at their estimation of the cost of building the house.  

They put this at 1.6 to 2.2 Million Baht.  

I had an estimate from the other Thai architect as you can see on the web page at The Budget Price Of Building A House In Thailand and this was 1.95 to 2.6 Million Baht.  

Very similar and very useful. If you want to get a budget price for your retirement home in Thailand you could do worse than ask these two companies, or simply use these estimates on a rate per square meter basis. (15,000 to 20,000 Baht/m2) More information on the budget cost of building houses in Thailand here.  

Architects Fee Proposals – How Much Do Thai Architects Charge To Design Your House?

The previous Thai architect’s fee proposal was 120,000 Baht on a cost estimate of 1.95 to 2.6 Million Baht.  

This represents 6.15 to 4.6 % of construction cost estimate.  

The Thailand Architects  fee proposal is 150,000 Baht on a cost estimate of 1.6 to 2.2 Million Baht.  

This represents 9.37 to 6.82 % of construction cost estimate.  

So with this information and the information at The Budget Price Of Building A House In Thailand you should now be able to estimate the cost of building your own house to retire to in Thailand and also the cost of hiring a Thai Architect to make the house plans (drawings) for you. 

Which Architect Did I Choose?

I have in fact appointed an architect in Thailand to make the construction drawings for my retirement home. The architect has been sending me questions and proposals and I have been responding! 

All very interesting and exciting. Do you want me to tell you who the arhitect is and to learn about the deisgn process we are going through? 

You do? Good. But that’s for the next post!

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