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Visiting The Amphur In Pakchong (Pak Chong) To Investigate Requirements For Our Sons Nationality

Post Added Tuesday 6th August 2013

Today we went to the Amphur in Pakchong (Pak Chong) to enquire about the process and requirements to allow our son, Alex to obtain Thai Nationality.

Re-Cap on Why We Want Alex to Have Thai Nationality

As I explained on the “Why I Can’t Retire To Thailand” one of my major concerns is losing all my investment in our retirement house and land in Pakchong (Pak Chong) if Kanyah should die.

Not a nice subject, I know, but better to face up to the possibility now that to do nothing face the consequences if it should happen. As we are at the moment with the land in Kanyah’s name ownership would I’m sure go into limbo if Kanyah passed on. Certainly I would not be able to sell up and return to U.K. and repatriate my huge investment and I can’t envisage living here without her.

As you know, a foreigner cannot own land in Thailand. The idea is for Alex to get Thai Nationality and then transfer the property and land into his name.

The Thai Army Conscription Issue

We have been over this Thai Nationality issue previously and even had Alex come over here to get his Nationality. That’s when Alex was 22 and he flew to Thailand on Sunday 7th February, 2010,

It was only when he went to the Amphur to apply that he was warned that he could be conscripted into the Thai Army as a Thai National until he reached 30 years old. At 22 years old he was eligible and because he was scared to be conscripted ho decided not to go any further with his application – the trip was wasted.

All this was covered on the Our Strategy For Buying Land In Thailand Post.

So What’s Changed?

It’s 3 1/2 years later and Alex is 27 years old. The Thai conscription laws haven’t changed (as far as I know) so what’s changed if Alex is now prepared to seek Thai Nationality?

Well, Alex has accepted my argument that the chances of him being conscripted are very slim. Just look at his “qualifications” for joining the Thai Army:-

  • He’s under 30 years old
  • He can’t speak a word of Thai, nor read nor write
  • He’s tall and still. He can’t sit cross-legged on the floor
  • He has a bad back and suffers from sciatica
  • He doesn’t know very much about Thailand or its geography, customs etc
  • He’s not a Buddhist
  • He can’t eat hot spicy Thai food
  • In a couple of years he’ll be thirty years old so unless he’s called up right now he’ll be to old
  • He lives in the U.K. and not Thailand. I just cant see the Recruiting Seargent flying out to England to look for him and apply for the Extradition Order to get him back to Thailand where he has a 50% chance of picking out the black ball and (presumably) they’ll have to fly him back again!
  • And probably more important I have been told that one of the reasons for National Service in Thailand is instill a strong sense of pride and Nationalism in the young people which will benefit themselves and the Thai Nation when they have completed their tour of duty. This will not apply in Alex’s case because if ho did the national Service in Thailand he would most likely return to UK afterwards.

I Didn’t Pursuade Alex to Change His Mind

Please be assured of this – I put no pressure on Alex at all about this matter. It was Alex’s decision to help me protect my investment by seeking Thai nationality.

So enough of the history and off to the Amphur.

A Visit To The Amphur Office In Pakchong (Pak Chong) To Obtain Thai Nationality Requirements.

This didn’t take long. I spent more time taking photographs than we did inside the building.

Kanyah enquired at the information desk and was told that they don’t do Nationality. At this Amphur they only do births and deaths, marriage and divorce.

For Nationality issues we had better ‘go on the website’ (whichever website that is) or go to the big Amphur in Korat. (AKA Nakhon Ratchasima).

Why Couldn’t They Have Done This Three Years Ago?

I was led to believe from Kanyah all those years ago when Alex came to Thailand to seek his Thai Passport that it would be a simple formality only not pursued because of the conscription issue.

If they had only asked what the requirements were then we would have know three and a half years ago that more research would be needed. research I’ll have to do now.

It’s never easy is it?

Buying A Car And Land In Thailand To Build A Retirement House On

My experience this week has been very eventful in our quest to buy land and build a retirement house in Thailand.

Both my wife and my son flew out to Thailand on the first leg of the journey toward building our retirement home in Thailand.

Here’s what happened this week.

Our Strategy For Buying Land In Thailand

In case you haven’t already discovered from other sections of the website I’m married to a Thai lady and we have a half Thai son, Alex, aged 22 who was born in the UK.

Since a Farang (myself) can’t own land in Thailand I had to come up with another strategy other than to buy the land (upon which to build our retirement house) in my wife’s name.

Why don’t I want to buy the land in Thailand in my wife’s name? Well, it’s not related to whether I trust her or not.

It’s a more practical problem I face and I wonder if other Farangs retiring in Thailand have thought about it.

The issue is this: If the land is in my wife’s name, what happens to ownership of the land and house if she dies before I do?

Under those circumstances:-

A) I don’t know if I would be allowed to continue to live there legally

B) I may not want to continue to live there. I might want to sell up and repatriate myself and the funds back to UK.

So I came up with (what turned out to be not such a…) cunning plan…

Our son, Alex, is eligible to get Thai nationality. So that done, I could buy the land in his name.

That was the strategy. But it didn’t turn out that way. Here’s why…

All Thai Males Aged 20 to 30 Are Eligible For Conscription Into The Thai Military!

They flew out to Bangkok on Sunday 7th February, 2010, and arrived the next day. On Tuesday, they went to the Amphur to undertake the first step of getting Alex’s Thai nationality – registering on the house papers of my wife’s Thai daughter, Daeng.

That day, the Thai computer system was down, so it was a wait until Wednesday.

They returned to the Amphur on Wednesday and Alex phoned me “Dad, there’s a hitch” he said. “They are telling me that if I put my name on the Thai house papers I am eligible to be consripted into the Thai Army”.

So I did some research on the ‘net and it seems to be true.

I even posted the question on a Thai Forum and received the answer, as follows:-

Hi, I’m a half Thai male aged 22 and want to get a Thai passport so that I can buy land in Thailand. My mother is Thai, my father is English (UK), I was born in the UK.

If I get a Thai ID Card and am put on the house papers am I then eligible to be conscripted into the Thai Military?

Or can I be exempt as a naturalized citizen?

Even if liable to be drafted I doubt if the Thai army would want me because I’m not ‘Thai’ like the Thais. I can’t speak Thai, I’m not a Bhudist, and know nothing about Thai culture.

You are eligible for draft Military service if you get yourself a Thai ID/passport.

I understand after age 30 they will not bother you…

Being a dual national does not exempt you from Military Service have a look at your British passport says exactly this.

You have to make a choice, get yourself your Thai citizen and take your chance with the call up or wait till your 30…

you are not a naturalised Thai citizen. Rather, you are a Thai citizen by birth who is only just getting around to getting his paperwork in order.

If you were born in the UK, you’ll need to approach the Thai embassy to get your Thai birth certificate issued. At the same time, you’ll can apply for a Thai passport.

I am unsure if purchasing land requires you to be in Thailand personally. However, if not, you could get someone to take power of attoerny and they can process the transaction on your behalf without having even to go to Thailand. Should be possible as power of attoerney is available for most things.

Alternatively, if you are a little worried about it all, your mum can purchase the land on your behalf.

If you want to read the thread on the forum, here is the URL:-

Here are some more links on the subject of conscription into the Thai military:-

Anyway, that’s the first clever idea blown out of the water!

Bearing in mind that the main reason for sending Alex to Thailand was to get his Thai ID then it’s been an expensive and time-wasting trip for him.

And things weren’t getting any better…

Buying A Car (Pickup) In Bangkok, Thailand

You can buy pretty decent motors (cars, pickups etc) here in Uk for a few thousand pounds.

Daeng (and my wife) warned me not to expect the same thing in Thailand.

I wanted a second hand pickup (preferably Japanese) for about $6,000. (Say 200,000 Baht). I was ready to accept a diesel vehicle with 100,000 miles on the clock.

Not to be. It appears that the Thai’s run their vehicles into the ground. Often the mileage isn’t given and if it is how true is it?

So may forums warn “buyer beware” when it comes to buying a used car in Thailand.

Examples of second hand cars (Toyota pickups) for sale in Bangkok:-

2008 Pickup TOYOTA HILUX VIGO D4D 2.5 [E] D4D (Mileage not given)

Price ::  410,000 Thai Baht

Pickup  TOYOTA  HILUX VIGO D4D  2.5[J] (Milaege not given)

Price ::  375,000 Thai Baht

2007 TOYOTA HILUX VIGO 3 l Diesel (Mileage 102,087 km)

Price ::  $20,909 US, about 693,000 Thai Baht

These are just afew exanples of the prices you’ll pay to get a second hand Toyota pickup in Thailand. My research on the Internet indicated that there was not much available below $10,000 (330,000 Baht) and with milages of around 200,000+ km.

Alex and his Mum in Bangkok found a brand new Toyota Hilux 2.5 l diesel for 550,000 Bhat. That included road tax and one years free insurance.

The price in UK for this model (Toyota Hilux 4WD 2.5 D-4D HL2 Single Cab 2dr) is £17,753 (905,403 Bhat)

The pickup comes complete with ABS, driver and passenger airbags, power steering, electric windows, air conditioning, tilt adjust steering column, remote central locking and an audio system with CD player with MP3/CD-R compatibility. The engine is the latest development of the Toyota 2.5-litre D-4D diesel engine.

This is an excellent website to review the technical details and prices of the Toyota Hilux range.

So we paid our deposit and take delivery on 15th March 2010.

That’s all for this post. Next time I’ll be running through the trials and tribulations of our experience of buying land in Thailand.

Update On Buying A Car In Thailand

On 16th March 2010 my wife collected the car we had ordered from the dealer in Bangkok. It was a day late (not sure why) and she had problems with central door locking and electric windows. it took an exchange of money to sort that out, but finally we have the car.

Go to the new update called “collected the Toyota pickup yesterday” to read about collecting the car and the expensive problems on a brand new car that we had to pay to sort out.

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