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Royal Thai Embassy London – “Alex, You Should Get Your Thai Passport In 6-8 Weeks”

Well that was the good news (except for the word “should” – I would have preferred the word “will” but more of that later. But getting to that good news point was fraught with misunderstandings and confusion. Let me explain by first describing how to get an appointment at the Royal Thai Embassy, Queen’s Gate, London.

If you are not up to speed with Alex’s passport story click here to read a short summary of the story so far.

How  To Get An Appointment For The Royal Thai Embassy In London.

According to Alex, you have to make an appointment before visiting the Embassy. I have been there many times to get visas and never made an appointment – you just turn up get a queue ticket and wait your turn.

A few weeks ago when Alex visited us here in Nottingham I mentioned to him that we ought to go to the Thai Embassy sooner rather than later in case we had to get some more documents and return at a later date since we (myself and his Mum Kanyah) were returning to thailand on 7th June.

So prompted Alex got out his smartphone and a few minutes later announced that the earliest appointment time would 1030 on Monday 19th June. He gave us the impression that he had been to the Thai Embassy website to get the appointment.

So on the due day (yesterday) we arrived at the Thai Embassy at 0900 and waited for Alex. As the time grew nearer to 1030 Kanyah started to fret about Alex being late. He arrived at 1015 and said “let’s go in”. “Well our appointment isn’t until 1030″ I said and Alex replied you have to get a ticket and wait in the queue.

I was expecting that Alex had arranged a specific appointment at a specific time.

Today as I am writing up this story I went to the Thai Embassy website to see how to get an appointment because I thought it would be good information for readers. Search as I might I could find no mention of needing an appointment nor any way to get one. instead all I found was this:- “No appointment is required” on the “How to apply for a Visa” page.

So has Alex been misleading us? And why would he fake appointment for two weeks time when he could have faked it much earlier to give us more time if something went wrong? And why did he chose 1030 instead of earlier? (They open at 0900)

I just asked Kanyah about this and she told me that the lady in the Thai Embassy asked her if we had an appointment and when Kanyah said yes the lady then checked the book and confirmed that yes we had an appointment for 1030 on 19th June at 1030. So I’m bewildered.

So, I go back to checking the Thai Embassy website and eventually find a page in English dealing with passport Applications. It’s very difficult to get to this page because when you click the “EN” (English language tab) the page flashes up and then promptly disappears. Try if you like here’s the link:-
Online passport booking
(Select “Passport Only” and “Over 20 years old”)

Anyway on that page (which I’ll include here as a pdf for you to download) it does say “Make an appointment by online reservation system”. Here is part of a screenshot from the website:-

Image of Online Booking Thai Passport Application

Online Booking Thai Passport Application

Search as I might I couldn’t  find the referred to “online reservation system” on the website.  Then I noticed a checkbox and acceptance button at the bottom of the web page:-

 

Acceptance check-box

Acceptance check-box

 

When I checked the box and clicked Accept I was taken to an Appointment Booking page:-

Image showing the Online Booking Thai Passport Application page

Online Booking Thai Passport Application

Voila! My apologies, Alex, for questioning you.

By the way when I tried to find when the next available appoint  might me it looks as if there are no appointments available until 2 July, by which time we would have returned to Thailand:-

Ima ge showing Thai Embassy Passport Application Appointment Calendar

Thai Embassy Passport Application Appointment Calendar

Documents Required To Apply For A Thai Passport At The Royal Thai Embassy, London

It is only now, as I am writing this Post that I come to understand the requirements for Alex to get his thai Passport at the Thai Embassy. On the day (yesterday) I didn’t.

Here is a screenshot of the page showing the actual requirements. Note that I have marked certain sections which I’ll talk bout in more detail in a minute:-

Image showing Requirements to Apply For A Thai Passport

Requirements to Apply For A Thai Passport

Now let’s examine the annotated text using the numbers I have entered in red colour.

1 “Parents are required to accompany to the applicant to the embassy.”

From this requirement alone it’s clear why the Thai Embassy wouldn’t entertain Alex’s previous application forms when he tried to apply by himself.

But there is another point here too. We knew this before Alex came to visit us in Thailand to try to get his passport there. It was precisely because of the requirement for parents to be present that we decided that Alex should visit us in Thailand and make the application there because at the time we had no plans to go to UK.

2 “Current passport”

During the processing of his application (in fact it was after his application had been accepted and he was sent to have his photo taken) Alex was asked for his UK Passport.

He didn’t have his passport with him.

Needless to say I was very agitated by this because it’s such an important and obvious document to have with you when making this kind of application. How on earth could he not have bought it – Kanyah was always telling him to bring all important documents with him.

Alex offered his driving license as a means of photoo-ID and they seemed to accept that.

A huge relief- I was expecting to have to make another appointment for another visit and perhaps there wasn’t enough time before we returned to Thailand.

3 “A photocopy of Thai House Registration or Thai Identity Card bearing 13-digit number”

Kanyah had bought the Thai House Registration book with here and indeed we had already has Alex’s name entered at the Amphur in Pak Chong, Thailand before we came to the UK. And, yes, there was the 13 digit number. We took the book with us ‘in case it was needed” not because we knew this number was required.

When we at the Thai Embassy there was a place on the Application Form that asked for the applicant’s Thai ID Card number. This always perplexed us because Alex didn’t have a Thai ID card.

The Missing Link That Make All The Difference Whether Your Thai Passport Application Is Accepted Or Not

Then it clicked. The number in the Thai House Registration book next to Alex’s name would be the number to go on the Application Form and on his Thai ID card when he gets it.

There are some more points here:-

  • When Alex made his previous applications he had a copy of the Thai House Registration book so could have entered the ID number had he known the significance of it!
  • As I said we had already registered Alex in the Thai House Registration book in Pakchong to progress his Thai Passport application  but we had no idea that this was essential proir to applying for the passport.


4  “The Royal Thai Embassy in London will issue a passport containing the forename and surname of the applicant in accordance with the personal data in House Registration Document ONLY.”

We (Kanyah and myself) had never seen this requirement before but it emphasises what we had learned above. That Alex must be registered in the Thai House Registration book   the local Amphur in thailand before an application for a passport can be made.

Now this poses a question. We ((Kanyah and myself) happened to be in Thailand and were able to make this registration. But suppose we were living ‘permanently’ here in the UK. Would a visit to Thailand for that specific purpose be required? I assume it would.

Same Forms, Same Information, Different Result

The end result of our visit to the Royal Thai Embassy in London, UK, was that Alex’s application for his Thai passport was accepted for processing.

But the Application Form Kanyah filled in for Alex yesterday was exactly the same one that Alex had previously submitted to the Thai Embassy and the answers were the same. If fact Kanyah copied the answers from the previous Form to fill out the new one yesterday.

Here is a copy of the Thai Passport Application Form which I have translated into English:-

Image of Alex Thai Passport Application Form

Alex Thai Passport Application Form

The only difference was that we now knew what number to put where is asks for the Thai ID number.

But Alex had that information with him when he presented the Application Form previously and could have entered it it had he known (or had the Thai Embassy staff explained where it was to be found).

These are the possible reasons why the Thai Embassy staff did not process Alex’s previous application:-

  • He did not know his Thai ID number.
  • His parents were not present.
  • He did not make an appointment.

 ‘Should’ Not ‘Will’ Receive His Thai Passport.

What happens next?

Now we come to the ‘should’ not ‘will’.

They (the Thai Embassy staff) told us that the documents would now be sent to Thailand for checking (and/or approval?). Also there would be a police search for any criminal charges on Alex’s record. It’s not clear if this police search will be conducted in UK or Thailand.

Now Alex isn’t a criminal at all but he does have a criminal record. How? In the UK if you have a drink-and-drive conviction that counts as a criminal offence. Will it stop them issuing his passport? We have to wait and see.

The Perfect Lifestyle – Retiring In Thailand?

I have been here in Thailand pretending to retire for just over 6 months now and it is beginning to appeal to me, much to Kanyah’s relief.

On a previous holiday visit to Thailand, before I came to Thailand to “retire” (quotes because I haven’t really “retired” at all) I had a list of severe reservations about retiring in Thailand. I even listed them and wrote about then on the “Why I Can’t Retire To Thailand” Post.

When I first came here to retire permanently in July I wanted to go back to the UK. I hated it here.

Gradually, over the months that list of concerns on the “Why I Can’t Retire To Thailand” Post have been either overcome or are in the process of being overcome.

Now, after being here just over six months I don’t want to leave.

I have a great – if simple – lifestyle.

I get up around 0630 (when it starts to get light) and go to the computer maybe continue designing my steam models or workshop tools or update my two websites (RetiringInThailand.net and ModelEngineeringInThailand.com) or correspond with my friends here in Thailand.

Then I go to the model engineering workshop and work at building my model steam engines or making tools for the workshop.

I don’t have to drive to work. I don’t have to get on trains. No suit, no tie. Shorts, sandals and T shirt cuts it out here.

And I just know that it’s going to be warm and sunny today. It’s warm and sunny every day.

In fact it’s getting warmer every day now after the ‘cold’ winter where the temperature struggled to top 20 deg C in the daytime and dropped to a shivering 15 deg C at night. Now instead of sleeping under a blanket we sleep with the fan on and yesterday it reached a comfortable 32 deg C in the afternoon.

Photo of the Sunrise Today Over Our Pakchong Retirement Home Garden

Sunrise Today Over Our Pakchong Retirement Home Garden

How Those Reservations About Retiring In Thailand Are Turning Out

Now I’m going to go through all the reservations I had about retiring in Thailand as listed on the  “Why I Can’t Retire To Thailand” Post and explain where we stand today.

In Thailand I’m Completely Dependent On My Wife

Kanyah is slowly releasing her total control over my life as I gradually take control myself. I should explain that she doesn’t and never did intend to ‘control’ me; it’s just that unless and until I am able to take control I will always be dependant upon Kanyah. The details are below.

Knowing Thailand And The Thai Language.

I am getting to know Thailand and the Thai people better as you expect after six months living in the country. We have travelled quite a bit including Kamphaeng Phet, Nakhon Ratchasima (Korat) ,Pattayah, Bangkok and even one trip to Cambodia.

But learning the Thai language is a different matter. I feel like I knew more Thai before I came here than I do now!

I have been learning Thai now for more than 30 years. I have dozens of books on the subject and at least three or four courses including audio courses and CDs. I have completed (for example) the “Thai for Beginners” and “Thai for Intermediate Learners” by Benjawan Poomsan Becker, and the Linguaphone course, for example.  I know thousands of Thai words.

But when I come here to Pakchong it’s like they’re talking a foreign language!

Some of it is down to the local dialect, some of it down to me being ‘tone deaf’ and mostly because since I came here I have not studied the Thai language like I used to when I lived in the UK. Just too busy ‘retiring’.

When you go to live in a completely different county halfway round the world there are many things to adjust to, many things needing your attention. To name just one I still have my house in the UK which needs attention and administration to do with silly things like the central heating, the garden, the Utility bills and the mail, to name just a few.

Taking two hours out a day to sit down and learn the Thai language is something I haven’t got round to yet, but I realise that I must do it before too long.

Security Of My Investment In The Property

I have long been well aware that my huge investment in the land, house and even the car here is at risk since none of it belongs to me and there isn’t a reliable ‘heir’ to pass it on to should anything happen to Kanyah.

Not only that, Kanyah has at times reminded me very well that all this belongs to her and not to me. I’m dependant upon her good will to be able to continue to live here. Not very secure at all.

That is changing on two fronts.

Firstly, after a lot of hard work, our son Alex has obtained his Thai Nationality. He is officially Thai and his name is on the house papers. He now has a Thai Birth Certificate. Alex is in the process of obtaining his Thai Passport and ID card from the Thai Embassy in London.

So Alex could now inherit the property.

On the other front, Kanyah has agreed to sign what is called a Usufruct and I’m having that drawn up by a solicitor as I write this. A Usufruct is a legal and binding document that will give me the right to use the land and house as if it was my own. I can’t be kicked out and Kanyah can’t sell it (without my permission). When that (the Usufruct) is signed I’ll feel much more secure.

 Driving In Thailand

I have now passed the Thai Driving Test and have a Thai driving license.

What a story that was, passing the Thai Driving Test.

Anyway now I can drive anywhere (not only in Thailand but anywhere in the world) and that is a whole life-changer itself.

 Getting A Thai Bank Account

This was another concern of mine, I didn’t have a Thai bank account.

As it turns out this was one of the easier things to do and how I did it is all explained on the “I Open A Bank Account In Thailand” Post.

Thai Visa’s And Thai Retirement Visa In Particular

This has turned out to be a real winner after a disastrous mistake by Thai immigration at the Cambodian Poipet border crossing.

I’ll not go into the details here because the story about “My Retiring In Thailand Project Changed Dramatically Yesterday When The Visa Issue Suddenly Disappeared And Now I Can Stay Here Forever” has a full Post in it’s own right but the outcome is actually better than I could ever imagine.

I came here to Thailand with a one year multiple entry visa I obtained in the UK. It allows me to stay here in Thailand and to come and go as I please but it has the restriction that I must leave and re-enter at least every three months. (Hence the trip to Cambodia).

But it was only valid for one year. My plan was to return to UK after the one year and renew it. I would have to do that perpetually because I didn’t qualify to obtain a Retirement Visa in the UK. (And still don’t.)

After the mess up by Thai immigration at the Cambodian Poipet border crossing I had to find an answer to the mess they had put me in and (missing out all the details that are revealed in that “Retiring In Thailand Retirement Visa” Post) I ended up with a Thai Retirement Visa!

This means that:-

  • I don’t have to go to the UK (or anywhere else) every year to get a new visa – I can renew this in Thailand
  • I don’t have to prove that I am married to a Thai in order to renew the visa – the visa is completely independant of Kanyah
  • I also have a multiple entry visa so I can come and go in and out of Thailand as I wish.

Another life-changer!

Healthcare In Thailand

This was another big concern of mine and whilst a couple of recent incidents have diminished my concern about minor illnesses it is still an issue for the unknow ‘big problems’.

But lets look quickly at those recent incidents that are a tribute to the Thai healthcare system and the thai people themselves.

Alex’s ‘Fever’

When our son Alex came to visit us last October to claim his Thai Nationality he developed a fever. Hot, shaking and very ill.

We took him to the local Pakchong Nanah Hospital in the evening around 1900 hrs. He went straight in to see a doctor – no waiting or asking questions – and was diagnosed with food poisoning. They gave us a prescription and  few minutes later were on our way home.

We had to pay for the prescription (antibiotics plus a few others) which only cost around 300 Baht and Alex was much better the next day and fine in a couple of days.

My Painful Leg Joints

I had been suffering from terrible pains in my right knee joint and my right hip. And I mean terrible pain.

I had been a bit silly at the turn of the New Year jumping up and down and generally prancing around with the Thai kids from next door inspired by the loud CCR music we had on for good party spirit.

A few days later the painful joints surfaced. I wondered if I had done the cartilages some damage.

As is my way – to avoid doctors and hospitals like the plague – I suffered the pain for a month hoping it would go away. It didn’t. in fact it got worse.

So it was off to the local Pakchong Nanah Hospital again to face the medicine.

There was a wait to see a doctor – the place was packed and very busy – but they asked no questions relating to me not being Thai (like how would I pay for the visit) – in fact before I could see a doctor I had to register. I now have a Thai Medical Card!

Image showing Alan's Thai Medical Card

Alan’s Thai Medical Card

Above is a scan of my Thai Medical card I received when I registered at the pakchong Nanah hospital at Pakchong (Pak Chong), Thailand. My name printed on it in black Thai typeface.

The time came to see the doctor and we told him the story. I also mentioned that previously in the UK I had suffered from Sciatica in my left leg.

(Sciatica results from injury to or pressure on the sciatic nerve in the spine cause by the spinal discs being out of position. The sciatic nerve tells the brain that there is pain in the leg(s) even though the leg(s) is (are) healthy. The pain can be – and was- horrific. Sitting down or lying down makes little difference.)

Anyway I want to know if I had damaged the ligaments or if it was sciatica again.

I was sent off for some Xrays. No queue. No need to make an appointment and come back another day as Kanyah had too at Saraburi hospital. No straight in and at least 6 xrays taken of my joints and spine. No waiting for films to be developed. the xrays went straight into the central computer where they could be accessed by any doctor in the hospital on his PC.

Back to the doctor again and I was diagnosed with Degenerative Spondylolisthesis which causes sciatica pain. Apparently my spinal discs are out of position. the doctor said I might need an operation to pin them back in place but he would make an appointment for me to see the orthopedic doctor tomorrow.

He gave me a prescription that included some painkillers amongst other goodies. Total cost? Just over 1,000 baht (about £20).

The following day I duly visited the orthopedic doctor who after looking at the xrays and doing some physical checks on my legs and back proclaimed my condition was mild and not serious.

He gave me another prescription that would help me sleep better.

It’s only two weeks later now and I’m fine. No pain at all.

All in all I have great faith in the Thai health care system. The doctors (and nurses) all speak English, they are very compassionate and they know what they are doing.

I’m truly impressed.

So although I would probably have to return to the UK if a big problem surfaced I know that for the occasional ailment I can rely on the Thai health service.

Good Food And English Beer In Pakchong (Pak Chong)

I previously bemoaned the lack of decent places too eat in Pakchong (Pak Chong).

Since then I have found a few places to get good food in Pakchong (Pak Chong).

One of them is called E.A.T. and they do English food and English beer as reported on the “EAT Paradise in Pak Chong” Post.

Of course they do other types of food also and also have a vast range of beers from all round the world. buy my treat is to be able to enjoy a little bit of England. Lamb chops, mashed potato and Fullers ESB Beer.

New! English Beer By Mail Order In Thailand

And if I’m too lazy to go down to E.A.T. in Pakchong (Pak Chong) to buy some English Beer I can now order it online and have it delivered to my house!

Here are just some of the beers available:-

  • Fuller’s ESB
  • Fuller’s Imperial Stout
  • Fuller’s London India Pale Ale
  • Fuller’s London Porter
  • Fuller’s London Pride
  • Wells Bombardier NRB
  • Wychwood Ginger Bread
  • Young’s Double Chocolate Stout
  • Young’s Special London Ale

I have just picked out my favourites, there are many more available, plus this is just from the english Craft Beer range. thhey also have similar ranges form other countries, like America, Australian, Belgian, Danish, Dutch, English, German, Italian , Apanese, New Zealand, Norwegian, Scottish, Singaporean, Spanish, Sri Lankan.

And there are also sections on the website for Fruit Beers, Cider, Mead , Beer Club, Discovery Cases, Mixed Sets.

Here is the website:- http://www.wishbeer.com

Stuck In Pakchong (Pak Chong) And Enjoying It

On that  “Why I Can’t Retire To Thailand” Post I complained about feeling ‘stuck’ in Pakchong (Pak Chong), but now I really am getting used to just staying at home and can understand why Kanyah doesn’t want to go out.

I have got into a little routine of doing a bit of work (like writing this Post) on the computer interspersed with building my steam engine in the model engineer’s workshop. I have also started another blog called ModelEngineeringInThailand.com so if you want to know in more detail what I’m doing as a ‘retiree’ in Pakchong (Pak Chong) then hop over to the ModelEngineeringInThailand.com website.

Sometime soon we have to make a visit to the UK – to bring the rest of our personal belongings over (my model engineering workshop mainly) and to get the house ready for renting out – and I’m not looking forward to it.

When I first came here to Thailand on my retirement trip I would have jumped at an excuse like that to go back to UK. Now I’d rather just stay here. Strange isn’t it?

That’s all for now – I just wanted to update you with how our retiring in Thailand project is going and  to report on those reservations I had previously.

 

Visiting The Amphur In Pakchong (Pak Chong) To Investigate Requirements For Our Sons Nationality

Post Added Tuesday 6th August 2013

Today we went to the Amphur in Pakchong (Pak Chong) to enquire about the process and requirements to allow our son, Alex to obtain Thai Nationality.

Re-Cap on Why We Want Alex to Have Thai Nationality

As I explained on the “Why I Can’t Retire To Thailand” one of my major concerns is losing all my investment in our retirement house and land in Pakchong (Pak Chong) if Kanyah should die.

Not a nice subject, I know, but better to face up to the possibility now that to do nothing face the consequences if it should happen. As we are at the moment with the land in Kanyah’s name ownership would I’m sure go into limbo if Kanyah passed on. Certainly I would not be able to sell up and return to U.K. and repatriate my huge investment and I can’t envisage living here without her.

As you know, a foreigner cannot own land in Thailand. The idea is for Alex to get Thai Nationality and then transfer the property and land into his name.

The Thai Army Conscription Issue

We have been over this Thai Nationality issue previously and even had Alex come over here to get his Nationality. That’s when Alex was 22 and he flew to Thailand on Sunday 7th February, 2010,

It was only when he went to the Amphur to apply that he was warned that he could be conscripted into the Thai Army as a Thai National until he reached 30 years old. At 22 years old he was eligible and because he was scared to be conscripted ho decided not to go any further with his application – the trip was wasted.

All this was covered on the Our Strategy For Buying Land In Thailand Post.

So What’s Changed?

It’s 3 1/2 years later and Alex is 27 years old. The Thai conscription laws haven’t changed (as far as I know) so what’s changed if Alex is now prepared to seek Thai Nationality?

Well, Alex has accepted my argument that the chances of him being conscripted are very slim. Just look at his “qualifications” for joining the Thai Army:-

  • He’s under 30 years old
  • He can’t speak a word of Thai, nor read nor write
  • He’s tall and still. He can’t sit cross-legged on the floor
  • He has a bad back and suffers from sciatica
  • He doesn’t know very much about Thailand or its geography, customs etc
  • He’s not a Buddhist
  • He can’t eat hot spicy Thai food
  • In a couple of years he’ll be thirty years old so unless he’s called up right now he’ll be to old
  • He lives in the U.K. and not Thailand. I just cant see the Recruiting Seargent flying out to England to look for him and apply for the Extradition Order to get him back to Thailand where he has a 50% chance of picking out the black ball and (presumably) they’ll have to fly him back again!
  • And probably more important I have been told that one of the reasons for National Service in Thailand is instill a strong sense of pride and Nationalism in the young people which will benefit themselves and the Thai Nation when they have completed their tour of duty. This will not apply in Alex’s case because if ho did the national Service in Thailand he would most likely return to UK afterwards.

I Didn’t Pursuade Alex to Change His Mind

Please be assured of this – I put no pressure on Alex at all about this matter. It was Alex’s decision to help me protect my investment by seeking Thai nationality.

So enough of the history and off to the Amphur.

A Visit To The Amphur Office In Pakchong (Pak Chong) To Obtain Thai Nationality Requirements.

This didn’t take long. I spent more time taking photographs than we did inside the building.

Kanyah enquired at the information desk and was told that they don’t do Nationality. At this Amphur they only do births and deaths, marriage and divorce.

For Nationality issues we had better ‘go on the website’ (whichever website that is) or go to the big Amphur in Korat. (AKA Nakhon Ratchasima).

Why Couldn’t They Have Done This Three Years Ago?

I was led to believe from Kanyah all those years ago when Alex came to Thailand to seek his Thai Passport that it would be a simple formality only not pursued because of the conscription issue.

If they had only asked what the requirements were then we would have know three and a half years ago that more research would be needed. research I’ll have to do now.

It’s never easy is it?

Buying A Car And Land In Thailand To Build A Retirement House On

My experience this week has been very eventful in our quest to buy land and build a retirement house in Thailand.

Both my wife and my son flew out to Thailand on the first leg of the journey toward building our retirement home in Thailand.

Here’s what happened this week.

Our Strategy For Buying Land In Thailand

In case you haven’t already discovered from other sections of the website I’m married to a Thai lady and we have a half Thai son, Alex, aged 22 who was born in the UK.

Since a Farang (myself) can’t own land in Thailand I had to come up with another strategy other than to buy the land (upon which to build our retirement house) in my wife’s name.

Why don’t I want to buy the land in Thailand in my wife’s name? Well, it’s not related to whether I trust her or not.

It’s a more practical problem I face and I wonder if other Farangs retiring in Thailand have thought about it.

The issue is this: If the land is in my wife’s name, what happens to ownership of the land and house if she dies before I do?

Under those circumstances:-

A) I don’t know if I would be allowed to continue to live there legally

B) I may not want to continue to live there. I might want to sell up and repatriate myself and the funds back to UK.

So I came up with (what turned out to be not such a…) cunning plan…

Our son, Alex, is eligible to get Thai nationality. So that done, I could buy the land in his name.

That was the strategy. But it didn’t turn out that way. Here’s why…

All Thai Males Aged 20 to 30 Are Eligible For Conscription Into The Thai Military!

They flew out to Bangkok on Sunday 7th February, 2010, and arrived the next day. On Tuesday, they went to the Amphur to undertake the first step of getting Alex’s Thai nationality – registering on the house papers of my wife’s Thai daughter, Daeng.

That day, the Thai computer system was down, so it was a wait until Wednesday.

They returned to the Amphur on Wednesday and Alex phoned me “Dad, there’s a hitch” he said. “They are telling me that if I put my name on the Thai house papers I am eligible to be consripted into the Thai Army”.

So I did some research on the ‘net and it seems to be true.

I even posted the question on a Thai Forum and received the answer, as follows:-


Hi, I’m a half Thai male aged 22 and want to get a Thai passport so that I can buy land in Thailand. My mother is Thai, my father is English (UK), I was born in the UK.

If I get a Thai ID Card and am put on the house papers am I then eligible to be conscripted into the Thai Military?

Or can I be exempt as a naturalized citizen?

Even if liable to be drafted I doubt if the Thai army would want me because I’m not ‘Thai’ like the Thais. I can’t speak Thai, I’m not a Bhudist, and know nothing about Thai culture.


You are eligible for draft Military service if you get yourself a Thai ID/passport.

I understand after age 30 they will not bother you…

Being a dual national does not exempt you from Military Service have a look at your British passport says exactly this.

You have to make a choice, get yourself your Thai citizen and take your chance with the call up or wait till your 30…


you are not a naturalised Thai citizen. Rather, you are a Thai citizen by birth who is only just getting around to getting his paperwork in order.

If you were born in the UK, you’ll need to approach the Thai embassy to get your Thai birth certificate issued. At the same time, you’ll can apply for a Thai passport.

I am unsure if purchasing land requires you to be in Thailand personally. However, if not, you could get someone to take power of attoerny and they can process the transaction on your behalf without having even to go to Thailand. Should be possible as power of attoerney is available for most things.

Alternatively, if you are a little worried about it all, your mum can purchase the land on your behalf.


If you want to read the thread on the forum, here is the URL:-

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/Thai-Thai-Pp-Eligible-Conscrip-t338232.html

Here are some more links on the subject of conscription into the Thai military:-

http://www.thailandqa.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9471

http://isaanstyle.blogspot.com/2008/04/army-conscription-in-thailand.html

Anyway, that’s the first clever idea blown out of the water!

Bearing in mind that the main reason for sending Alex to Thailand was to get his Thai ID then it’s been an expensive and time-wasting trip for him.

And things weren’t getting any better…

Buying A Car (Pickup) In Bangkok, Thailand

You can buy pretty decent motors (cars, pickups etc) here in Uk for a few thousand pounds.

Daeng (and my wife) warned me not to expect the same thing in Thailand.

I wanted a second hand pickup (preferably Japanese) for about $6,000. (Say 200,000 Baht). I was ready to accept a diesel vehicle with 100,000 miles on the clock.

Not to be. It appears that the Thai’s run their vehicles into the ground. Often the mileage isn’t given and if it is how true is it?

So may forums warn “buyer beware” when it comes to buying a used car in Thailand.

Examples of second hand cars (Toyota pickups) for sale in Bangkok:-

2008 Pickup TOYOTA HILUX VIGO D4D 2.5 [E] D4D (Mileage not given)

Price ::  410,000 Thai Baht

Pickup  TOYOTA  HILUX VIGO D4D  2.5[J] (Milaege not given)

Price ::  375,000 Thai Baht

2007 TOYOTA HILUX VIGO 3 l Diesel (Mileage 102,087 km)

Price ::  $20,909 US, about 693,000 Thai Baht

These are just afew exanples of the prices you’ll pay to get a second hand Toyota pickup in Thailand. My research on the Internet indicated that there was not much available below $10,000 (330,000 Baht) and with milages of around 200,000+ km.

Alex and his Mum in Bangkok found a brand new Toyota Hilux 2.5 l diesel for 550,000 Bhat. That included road tax and one years free insurance.

The price in UK for this model (Toyota Hilux 4WD 2.5 D-4D HL2 Single Cab 2dr) is £17,753 (905,403 Bhat)

The pickup comes complete with ABS, driver and passenger airbags, power steering, electric windows, air conditioning, tilt adjust steering column, remote central locking and an audio system with CD player with MP3/CD-R compatibility. The engine is the latest development of the Toyota 2.5-litre D-4D diesel engine.

This is an excellent website to review the technical details and prices of the Toyota Hilux range.

So we paid our deposit and take delivery on 15th March 2010.

That’s all for this post. Next time I’ll be running through the trials and tribulations of our experience of buying land in Thailand.

Update On Buying A Car In Thailand

On 16th March 2010 my wife collected the car we had ordered from the dealer in Bangkok. It was a day late (not sure why) and she had problems with central door locking and electric windows. it took an exchange of money to sort that out, but finally we have the car.

Go to the new update called “collected the Toyota pickup yesterday” to read about collecting the car and the expensive problems on a brand new car that we had to pay to sort out.

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