Archive for January, 2015

A Link to The How I Got My “Retiring In Thailand Retirement Visa”

This page only exists to provide this readily accessible link to the Retirement Visa “Retiring In Thailand Retirement Visa” Post which I can never find myself when I want to!

It’s the story of how  the Thai Immigration made a mess of my valid Multiple Entry Visa rendering it invalid and how the result was that I obtained a Retirement Visa – something I didn’t know I could get from here in Thailand.

The Paradise Lifestyle Continues With The Retirement Visa Extension

Yesterday (20 January 2015) I went to the Thai Immigration Office at Nakhon Ratchasima where they extended my Retirement Visa for another year thereby extending my paradise lifestyle by another year too.

Image of Alan's One Year Thai Retirement Visa Extension

Alan’s One Year Thai Retirement Visa Extension

But this event may signal the end of this website and this could be the last Post on this website as explained below.

How I Got My Thai Retirement Visa Extension From The Thai Immigration Office

This is not a story about how I got my Retirement Visa in the first place.

You can read about how I got my Retirement Visa “Retiring In Thailand Retirement Visa” Post. That came about unexpectedly after the Thai Immigration made a mess of my valid Multiple Entry Visa. A story in itself.

I went with my Thai wife Kanyah to the Thai Immigration Office (The Thai term is Immigration Bureau) in Nakhon Ratchasima (AKA Korat. I could never understand how Nakhon Ratchasima could be called Korat, but when you look at it it’s a bastardisation of NaKhOn RATchasima) early on 20 January 2015 to make sure I was first in the queue. (I was).

The Office opened at 0830 although this is not signposted anywhere.

At about 0930 I was all finished with the brand new one year extension to my Thai Retirement visa you see in the scanned image above.

Getting the retirement visa extension is quite straightforward when you know what documentation is required and you have all the documents correctly.

I presented the following documents as listed in Form TM7:-

  1. Completed Form TM7 “Application For Extension Of Temporary Stay In The Kingdom”.
  2. Current Thai Retirement Visa in Passport.
  3. Evidence of not less than 800,000 Baht in a Thai bank account for at least three months prior to the sate of application.
  4. Copy of personal details page and all other pages in applicant’s passport that have Thai immigration stamps.
  5. And of course the application fee of 1,900 Baht.

Further to those documents I had to provide the following although they are not listed in TM7 nor listed in the document “Documents to be presented to the Thai Immigration Bureau when requesting extension of stay for retirement” that I obtained from the Immigration Bureau in Nakhon Ratchasima on 5th January when my previous application was rejected:-

  1. Wife’s House Book and signed photocopies thereof.
  2. Wife’s Thai ID Card and signed photocopies thereof.

Very Important Aside

Residency Dependence

The requirement to provide these latter two documents is both very important and unwelcome for me.

In the first place if I need to produce them every time I extend my stay I assume I must bring along Kanyah (Mrs Brown) to sign the photocopies and present the originals.

Now, this means that not only must Kanyah still be alive, but that she must be willing and able to make the trip and sign the documents.

The implication is that I am dependent upon the availability and good will of Kanyah to continue my residency in Thailand.

Residency should be granted irrespective of my marriage to my Thai wife and other people have told me that it is.

So something is seriously wrong here that I must get to the bottom of.

Certificate Of Residence

Another person told me of a Certificate Of Residence that I assume (dangerous to assume) certifies that the applicant is living in Thailand and has his address recorded. Presumably (dangerous to presume) this can take the place of the Thai spouse’s ID card and House Documents.

So it may be worth applying for that Certificate Of Residence document.

Bizarre or Merely Obtuse?

And where do you think you apply for the Certificate Of Residence?

Yes, you got it. At the Thai Immigration Bureau!

By the way I just downloaded the appropriate application Form from the Thai Immigration Bureau website.

On the website the application Form is called “Certificate of Residence Application (TM.18)”.

When I opened it:-

A) I couldn’t understand it even though it is English and Thai

B) When opened it is called Form TM 1 “Application for Substitute of Certificate of Residence”, which is another Form I downloaded as is called TM 20! The two Forms are not the same.

Your Application May Be Different

Because the method of providing proof of income and/or capital may be different in every case and also because there are options to demonstrate financial stability on the application form your application may well be different than mine.

Here is a copy of the document “Documents to be presented to the Thai Immigration Bureau when requesting extension of stay for retirement” . To see a large pdf version that you can print out click here.

Image of Thai Retirement Visa Extension Requirements List

Thai Retirement Visa Extension Requirements List

Download Page of Forms and Information Documents on the Thai Immigration Bureau Website

There is a wealth of information on the Thai Immigration Bureau Website and even a download page where you can download various Policy Documents and Application Forms.

Here is the link to the Download Page:-

Thai Immigration Bureau Website Download Page

Here is a link to download the Retirement Visa Extension Application Form, TM7:-

Download Extension Of Temporary Stay In The Kingdom Application Form (TM7)

List of Forms and Documents Available For Download

To see a complete list of documents available for download from the Thai Immigration Bureau website

  • Information Conveyance (TM.2)
  • Passenger List (TM.3)
  • Extension of Temporary Stay in The Kingdom Application Form(TM.7)
  • Re-Entry Permit into The Kingdom Application Form(TM.8)
  • Permanent Residence in The Kingdom Application Form(TM.9)
  • Endorsement of Re-Entry Permit Application Form(TM.13)
  • Certificate of Residence Application (TM.18)
  • Substitute of Residence Certificate Application (TM.20)
  • Non-Quota Immigrant Visa Application (TM.22)
  • Extension of Temporary Stay During Resident Consideration Application (TM.25)
  • Form for Aliens to Notify Their Change of Address or Their Stay in the Province over 24 Hours (TM.28)
  • Notification Form for House Master, Owner, or the Possessor of The Residence Where Aliens Have Stay(TM.30)
  • Form for Alien to Notify of Staying Longer Than 90 Days (TM.47)
  • Application for Change of Visa (TM.86)
  • Application for Visa (TM.87)
  • Transfer Stamp to a New Passport Form
  • Lost or Stolen Passport Form
  • New Passport Form
  • Application Form For Residence Certificate In Thailand
  • Transfer Stamp To A New Passport Form (For Residence Certificate)
  • Personal Date Form (For Residence Certificate)
  • Acknowledgement Of The Conditions For Permitted Continuation Of Stay In The Kingdom Of Thailand

A Millionaire’s Lifestyle

You know the list of things you would do if you won the Lottery.

  • Give up working and retire
  • Pay off all your debts
  • Go on holiday to some warm and exotic land
  • Buy a dream house – for cash
  • Spend every day doing just what YOU want to do

etc etc

Well I have done/still do all those things. I (we) truly do live a millionaire’s lifestyle. I’m not saying all this to boast. Just to put on record that I am living in Paradise and have to ask myself when I wake up every day to a glorious sunny morning ‘when will it end?’.

It’s Christmas Day Every Day

So many people look forward to the week-end every week.

Two days off work and do as you please.

Friday is a time to celebrate the coming weekend.

And Christmas day is the day you look forward to all year. The day to relax.

Maybe the time to indulge a little in doing the things you really like. A little bit of luxury and the chance to buy gifts for yourself and others that you normally wouldn’t be able to afford.

Well the week end and Christmas days are not special days for us. Every day is a weekend and a Christmas day.

If we won the Lottery it wouldn’t change our lives much.

We are already living a dream life – a life in paradise.

Sure, a million (£s or US$) in the bank would make us feel a BIT more secure. I would be able to travel to UK frequently to go to the Traction Engine Fairs and sample the English beers. A million would enhance our lives a bit but not drastically change it.

I would still spend 10 – 12 hours a day in the workshop making my model traction engine and Kanyah would still go to work in the fields.

Here is a photo of a model traction engine very similar to the one I am building:-

Photo of 6" Scale Little Samson Steam Model Traction Engine

6″ Scale Little Samson Steam Model Traction Engine

Just to clarify: That is not my traction engine and that is NOT ME at the wheel.

Funny Story About Kanyah Working

By the way here is an extract from an email I sent to the Mel, Landlady of The Plough, my local pub in England:-

Mel, it’s worth reading to the end on this one.

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I have often complained to Mrs Brown that she over-pays the neighbours to do jobs around the house, typically moving the lawns, trimming the hedges, cleaning the house.
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But raising this subject is like a red flag to a bull. You want a bit of distance between you and her if you mention it.
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Anyway a few weeks ago when she went corn picking one day they were rained off in the afternoon about 4 pm. She came home early and soaking wet. Dead tired and cold.
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Because of the enforced short day they only paid her 250 Baht (about £3) instead of the normal 350 Baht (£7).
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Totally naively and unprepared for the outburst of wrath that followed I made the point again.
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Why should she go out to work all day (six hours in this case) and make herself tired just for a meager 250 Baht when she will gladly pay the neighbours 250 Baht for two hours work to clean the house or 400 Baht to cut the lawn which only takes three hours?
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I was totally unprepared for the answer.
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“I don’t pay the neighbours to clean the house or cut the lawn. You do“.
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What more can I say?

Mel was a bit indignant that I let Kanyah (AKA “Mrs Brown” in The Plough) go out working in the fields and wanted to know “what I was going to do about it?” and more stridently in a later email so have you done anything about it yet?????“, to which I replied:-

Mel, look at it this way…
  • She’s out of the house and out of my hair all day.
  • All day she can’t moan and complain about me. (She can but I won’t hear it)
  • When she gets home she’s too tired to moan and complain about me.
  • If fact she’s so tired when she gets home she goes straight to bed.
  • And she makes some pocket money.
So what do you think I’m going to do?
Send her out to work again!

Kanyah really loves going to work on the farm. It’s the way she was bought up as a child and now she does it to keep interested, keep herself fit and it never hurts to earn a little pocket money does it? Look at her grinning in this photo:-

Photo of Kanyah Grinning Ear Top Ear As She Is Ready To Go To Work

Kanyah Grinning Ear Top Ear As She Is Ready To Go To Work

And I had to add this photo to show you the lovely country setting where we live in Pakchong (Pak Chong):-

Photo showing Kanyah Walking Down Our Road On Her Way To Work

Kanyah Walking Down Our Road On Her Way To Work

We already are ‘living the dream’. Oh! Just to be sure, take a look at the photos of our garden, below. All Kanyah’s work. So it was great relief yesterday when the dream was extended for another year.

Our Lovely Garden

And when she isn’t out working in the fields Kanyah loves to tens and develop our lovely garden. Here are a couple of photos:-

Photo of Sunrise In The Garden Of Our Our Retirement Home

Sunrise In The Garden Of Our Our Retirement Home

Photo of Orchid Flower At Our Retirement House In Pakchong

Orchid Flower At Our Retirement House In Pakchong

The Last Post From Me On The Retiringinthailand.Net Website?

Let me explain I am no longer retiring in Thailand. That was a journey that began 8 years ago at the LamTakahong Dam near to Pakchong (Pak Chong), Thailand, on Christmas Day 2006, when this whole retiring in Thailand idea started. That’s finished.

With this retirement visa extension I am now classifying myself as permanently Retired to Thailand.

I can’t write any more about retiring in Thailand because I have now done it. It’s over.

The Retired To Thailand Story, Though Continues Here

The Retired to Thailand story continues on the ModelEngineeringInThailand.com website where I write about Model Engineering in Thailand, and LittleSamsonTractionEngine.com  where I report all the details of making the half sized Little Samson Traction Engine model.

If you pressed me to I could write here about being retired in Thailand and I do have a stock of photos, videos and stories (see below) that I never had time to write on our retiring in Thailand journey. So I could write those up and some (most) of them would be funny and all of them interesting.

It’s Your Turn To Decide

If you want me to continue writing up the stock of stories from the retiring in Thailand journey or to write up the ongoing Retired to Thailand events please let me know. It takes a great deal of effort to keep this website going (and indeed all of them). I’ll only do it if there is sufficient interest. My writing here for no one to read and appreciate it is just a waste of time. So please let me know what you would like. Post your comments below or email me using the Contact Form if you don’t have my email address.

Unfinished Stories

Here are some of the stories I have in stock or never finished from the retiring in Thailand story:-

Stories I Haven’t Started

  • The Cambodia Visa trip
  • The Alex Get’s His Thai Birth Certificate and Thai Passport story
  • The madness of the motorcycles in the local market and Tesco! (Terrific twist at the end)

Stories I Started And Never Finished

  • Kanyah’s great aircraft hangar project
  • Confessions Of A Die-Hard Brit Retiring In Thailand
  • Cheap Phone, Cheap Calls, Cheap Internet
  • Nightmare Cut-Throats Barber
  • Thai Non Immigration (Non ‘O’) Retirement Visa Requirements
  • How To Succeed In Thailand
  • The Cost Of Land In Thailand
  • Nakhon Si Thammarat
  • Thailand Confidential
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